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From: [e-mail] (H Doan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: What is the purpose and role of the Amiga?
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 96 08:49:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gi) wrote:
>H Doan wrote in <4krhq2$[e-mail]> on 14-Apr-96 18:56:41 :
>
>>What a bunch of crock.... Not anymore...
>>I had the biggest laugh yesterday:
>>I was just reading one of my old Amiga mags (Amiga Format November 1995 #page
>>93) and it reviewed a graphics acccelerater card compared to an Amiga 4000..
>>A
>>768 by 512 image took 6 MINUTES to do a Gaussian blur on a AGA 4000 running
>>Photogenetics.. What a fucking joke... On my Powermac or Penitum 133, the
>>same  task takes 15 seconds.
>
>Photogenics has been optimised twice since the review you mention plus the
>memory bus on the A4000 was flawed, an accelerator such as the Cyberstorm would
>easily match the 15 seconds rate.

Again, thats a bunch of crock..A flawed bus that can make it 24 TIMES
SLOWER??? Yeah sure...  I didn't write the article.. A respectable Amiga
Magazine did the all the tests..
My simple comparison was based on an average PCI 1 meg Pentium.

 And what are the specs of this Cyberstorm product???  Even if you wanna
compare big guns... Compare it to my Matrox Millenia Pentium.. The same feat
in less than 6 seconds at 24 bits... In two months, I'll have my new 16 meg
Glint Video Card... Hmm, it might take me 1/6 of a second.

>

>Imagine 4.0 is released on Amiga, Lightwave 4.0 is too, Caligari was crap
>anyway. How about Cinema 4-D, Real 3D v 3, Raystorm etc.. new products.
>

Imagine 4.0 and Real 3d are jokes... Imagine 4,0  hasn't been improved much
since the past year... So has any of the other products... And you try to
compare it to Caligari ..Can Imagine 4.0 or Real 3D allow you to do
"non-wireframe" modelling... Nope... At least Caligari Truespace  (on the
PC) gives you 3DR acceleration. Its sure a lot faster than any Amiga product
I've seen.

If the almighty Amiga apps are so great, why haven't I heard much from them...
In the REAL 3d World, everyone's talking about SoftImagine and 3D Studio Max
for NT... I don't give a fuck about platform loyalties or OSes..Sure, there is
no doubt that Lightwave WAS  good.. Thats all over now (for the Amiga scene).
Time is money..I've worked with Amiga Lightwave, Mac Strata, and SGI Alias.. I
see more development and powerful tools on the PC.. Not macs, not Amigas.
 I'm selling off my SGI rR4400 200 Mhz Workstation so I can run SoftImagine on
the PeeCee... I even see a lot of Workstation owners taking a serious look at
the PC NT platform for work. Once, I see Lightwave catch up to SoftImagine, I
might just go back to the Amiga. Can an Amiga do REAL TIME modelling????
Nope.. Haven't seen it.. I don't care how much money you put into it.. Its
still not going to match a modern day PC......OOOOppps.. I forgot, no way in
hell is any, ANY, ANY Amiga compete with a multithreading, multi-processor
based Pentium PC running NT. The almighty Amiga Operating System 3.1 doesn't
crack it.. Who needs a custom chips when I have multiple processors... Bye
Agnus, Bye Paula, bye bye.. Denise...


>>Let see if my old Amiga 4000 can render in "REAL time with texture mapping."
>>I  think not.. What use to take 20 Amiga 2000 040s to create a scene in
>>Babylon 5  now takes one Pentium Pro.
>
>You said it yourself, Old 4000, if you upgraded it with a fast GFX card and an
>accelerator you would be ok.
>

Again, you didn't clearly get my message... 20 Amiga 2000 ' 040s compared to
one Pentium Pro...  I said "REAL TIME"... Can an Amiga Suped UP compare to an
Open GL, Glint accelerated PC... IF so, this Amiga is a lot faster than my SGI
or PC.  Wake up and smell the coffee.. The Next platform for the 3d market
will be NT based PC... Heck, those new shiny 16 meg OPen GL, GLint Video cards
can compete and SURPASS those Suns and SGIs.


>>Speaking of graphics... I work with "hardcore" graphics all the time... Will
>>that overprice 4000T from Escom handle my 60 megabyte tiff files... I don't
>>think so.. I know, I use to run Art Department Professional and its nice to
>>see how it would always crash if I had a file bigger than  6 megs.  Photoshop
>> on the PC or MAc will eats circles around any Amiga application when it
>>comes  to image control, palette, and the things you speak of....
>
>I handle files bigger than 6 meg all the time, AD Pro is a bit old now, I use
>Photogenics, ImageFX and soon I'll use TV Paint which in combo will easily
>outperform Photoshop.

Again thats total bullshit...

 I've worked with various apps and platforms and nothing compares to Photoshop
on the Mac or PC NT. Even the Sun and SGIs do not have anything comparable
(even their ports of Photoshop is horrible).
Whats the largest image file you ever work with... HOW MANY DAYS will it take
the Amiga do a SIMPLE gaussian blur on one of my 40 meg + 1200 dpi image
file??? The original example I cites was a 768x 512 file.. Probably at 72 dpi
and small enough to fit on an Amiga 800k floppy.. And it took 6 MINUTES.. Good
grief..
And to be honest, I don't think  Photogenics can ever handle a 40+ meg file...
From what I remember, Amigas don't support File swapping.. If not, how amigas
have you seen with over 64 megs of real ram.. If so, how fast is the Ram
without wait state or bottlenecks to perform such feats??

>

>The Cybervision 64 will easily perform the Graphic modes you mention, i'll be
>buying one soon.

Oohhh.. Sure,, Like it can do 1600x 1600 at 24 bits..  Again, does this card
support new APIs like Open GL, 3DR.. Does it have support for Full motion Mpeg
and soon DVD.. Can it render faster than a SONY playstation or Sega Saturn??

I figure the answer is a BIG NO... Man, it was sure great to play Virtual
Fighter on my Girlfriends 12 year old brother's PeeCee the otherday... REAL
Time , Full motion, Immersive 3D..

I have a nice 600k VRML file created on my SGI and ported over to my PC.. Let
see if this video card can let you walk through my building in real time with
full textures...  Ooooops... I forgot, Amigas don't support VRML. But when or
if it ever does, I'll be more than happy to email it to you. Lets see how your
Almighty Amiga crawl to a sudden halt before you reach the door..

>

>Your choice, I've used Amiga's for the past 9 years and feel no need to move
> on,
>I've tried Win 95 on a Pentium and it's interface is written with 'new idiot
>users' in mind.
Who says were talking about win95... My PeeCee can run Sun Solaris, BSD,
Linux, Windows NT or NextStep..

And like the Amiga Work Bench is intuitive... It is so sloppy.. Even Magic
WorkBench is a sloppy remedial cover-up.


>
>I too will be running 800x600 @ 24-bit shortly, I could run higher modes but
>I'll need a better monitor first.
>

800 x 600 @ 24 bits is a given on a normal modern PC... If not, just fork out
another $60-$100 bucks for a decent video card.